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The huge dark cloud of injury, that had threatened Lucy, of The GB Kayak Team, was swept away By Getfitstayfit Norfolk.

GB Kayak Team Member Lucy needed help Mum contacted Getfitstayfit Norfolk, we got Lucy back on form again and one happy mum sent us this email.

With the amount of training Lucy has to do for her kayaking I am always concerned that she might come home broken one day.

This turned out to be the case when she came home from a ski training camp this spring. The trip was primarily cross-country skiing to help with the aerobic fitness training for her kayaking. On the last day Lucy went snow boarding and had a couple of pretty heavy falls.

On arriving home she complained of a headache, so we all presumed she had concussion but during the week she did not improve and could not train at all or do any of her studies.

This Was Not good

After talking through her fall, I realised that she might actually be suffering more from a whiplash type injury, so I phoned Steve Kirby who had recently been recommended to me by a friend who had suffered a serious fall from her horse.

She had said “Get Lucy to see Steve he’s a miracle worker!” She was not wrong. After one session Lucy’s headaches were gone she could move freely, not even realising that she had in fact been quite stiff and restricted in her movement even prior to skiing.

It was like a huge dark cloud which had threatened to ruin her whole season and possibly career had been swept away.

After 2 days she was back in her boat and back to gentle training and then back to Nottingham, for full training within a week of her being home.

Result and huge relief all round. It’s was quite hard to keep Lucy Thinking positively before seeing Steve as she thought her season was ruined before it had begun.

All I can say is a huge thank you from me, for not only correcting physical issues, but this has a knock on effect on the mental attitude .

“Now she has a belief that yes she can train hard again and achieve her goals. Some things are meant to be and without her fall we may never have met Steve who has sorted out a lot of longstanding issues which we would otherwise not have known about.”

What Foot & Heel Pain Treatment in Norwich, Norfolk ???

Mark came to our clinic here in Norwich in a great deal of PAIN in his FOOT and more now he is .“Pain Free, yes after 18 month’s of constant pain he is now pain free in his heel and back he is now back participating in sport once again and enjoying life. “

Mark told us “ About 24 months ago I started suffering with a pain in my left heel and was diagnosed with plantar fasciitis. During the next 12 months I tried various methods to resolve the issue from Adjustable boots to massage balls for your feet all which gave me limited relief for short periods of time.

I was recommended to contact, “Get fit stay fit Norfolk and talk to Steve, make an appointment for an assessment.”

I met Steve at his treatment room and he set about assessing my problem with my heel, however what I got was a complete MOT….Steve asked a series of questions about my current well being, completed a physical and set about assessing me.

“So, just my heel your thinking, oh No, I also mentioned to Steve that I suffered from Backache from time to time and the occasional headache as well but the main issue was with my heel.”

It soon became clear that my backache was as a result of me walking differently because of the pain in my heel. Steve suggested a course of Bioneuro Therapy coupled with a deep massage.

To be honest, I was sceptical with the approach as I hadn’t seen this type of therapy before, however in for a penny in for a pound as they say, as I thought I’ve got nothing to loose.

Early results were frustrating for me as I was getting some relief for short periods of time but the pain continued for some time. I attended Steve’s clinic weekly and continued with the course of treatment. Steve was also dealing with my back issue and also used Bioneuro Therapy coupled with a deep massage in this area as well and what he called Neuromuscular Manipulation

I cant say that I enjoyed all of the deep massages (No pain no Gain comes to mind) at the time, but the rest was ok and the benefit of this coupled with the Bioneuro Therapy had started to pay dividends.

I hadn’t expected an instant cure and maybe I was hoping for a quicker result.

Steve explained to me that the damage had been done over a long period of time and would take time to heal , but you get to a tipping point when the healing starts to progress and things really do feel better, it is easy to forget how much pain you were in.

This is how it happened to me, the periods where I was pain free started to extend between treatments and the treatments became less frequent that has now brought me to my current status…….Pain Free, yes after 18 month’s of constant pain I’m now pain free in my heel and my back.

I’m now back participating in sport once again and I’m enjoying life.

Regards

Mark

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For Raven Giving up Kick Boxing Was not an Option

Raven attended Getfitstayfit Norfolk earlier this summer with server knee pain.

Steve ,carried out a full knee exam and found his knee to be very unstable, a few home truths had to be told to this young man as to what he may be facing.

A torn Meniscus and Posterior Cruciate Ligament damage were Steve’s findings, his knee was locking and giving way.

“I have been in the Sports Injury business for many years, but Ravens Injuries were some of the worst I had seen in a long time.”

This young man is a serious Martial Artist, Kick Boxer and Coach, a knee injury was devastating news for him.

We started to be treat Raven on the BioNeuro MK2 Sigma Q, to help get some sort of function back into the knee,

then on Raven next visit he informed us “That after the first treatment session his knee did NOT lockup at all,” so Steve knew he had something to work with .

Steve, explained to Raven how the nerve pathways worked in the knee on the muscles and ligament’ s, setting up a treatment plan, knowing

Raven would have to be referred to see a Orthopaedic Surgeon in Norwich due to the Trauma in the area the surgery concerned and with conditions that would affect the Musculoskeletal system (the bones, joints, ligaments ,tendons, muscles and nerves) it would be important for him to be in the best shape possible for this surgery.

The first appointment with the surgeon was arranged, an MRI scan was ordered, the result ,showed numerous problems this sort of injury affected so much and would need

“A dogs dinner “ was the description the surgeon gave it . “I will try to do all I can to save the knee “. These were his closing words as procedures for surgery where started.

In the meantime while waiting for Surgery it was our job to keep Ravens Muscles supple and flexible in preparation for the operation, the aim being to make things easier for the surgeon to do his work.

Further weekly sessions of BioNeuroMK2, continued along with Neuromuscular Therapy and Massage, the need for No More Deterioration was important, thankfully Raven being young and very physically fit, also understanding the importance of continued exercise was able to keep on top of things.

Raven, is deeply dedicated to his sport he was also in training for a title fight . “I was totally gob smacked ,people in the gym did not know I had a problem .” Said Raven, we were a bit concerned at this, but there was no longer any locking or giving way ,no instability with this mans knee at all.

Then the day of the pre-operation assessment came . Raven contacted us and said, “Steve I went, but I felt very guilty, every other patient there, was for surgery with a similar problems to mine, but they were in wheelchairs or on crutch’s, while I was walking normally” said Raven.

The operation took place at Norfolk and Norwich under an incredible Orthopaedic surgeon, Mr Charles Mann MBBS, FRCS(Eng), FRCS(Ed), FRCS(Orth), whom we respect and admire greatly , along with his team, having completed the surgery, he then gave Raven a small gift, part of the damaged cartilage that he had removed and told him

“Well ,we have saved your knee .”

Further Bioneuro treatment will now help in a rehabilitation program and restore full function quicker than orthodox physiotherapy.

One last word from Raven . ” Thank God for Steve, The Bioneuro Treatment , and a great surgeon “

A fighter who we know has return, stronger and fitter to achieve his goals !

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Return To The Green And Bowls, Earlier Than Anticipated, for Michael Thanks to Getfitstayfit Norfolk

Hobbies that involve exercise and socialising are enormously beneficial to both our physical and mental well being.

So when Michael developed a frozen shoulder his time away from his Outdoor and Indoor Bowls was not only painful but frustrating for him.

” I had been to my doctor and was told that I had tendinitis and needed an injection in the shoulder, but there was possibly a 24 week wait, the pain was growing worse and life was getting more difficult and my chances of playing in competitions were proving difficult , I knew I had to do something about it.”

Michael then came to see Steve Kirby at Getfitstayfit Norfolk.

Michael responded to treatment very well right from the start using the Bioneuro and Neuromuscular Techniques with Sports Massage, Steve was able to help Michael gain Pain Free Movement without the need for the Steroid injection.

In a very Short Time Michael was back on the green enjoying his game and his Social life.

“After my very first session with Steve my shoulder felt so much Better with the majority of my movement restored;” enthused Michael “After two more sessions with Steve my shoulder felt completely better.”

It is now three months since Michael’s treatment he has had a great season of Competition Outdoor Bowls with out so much as a twinge.

Steve and I went to see Michael at a match and get some photos, also to thank him for the referrals he had sent our way.

It was great to see how well he was doing, although we had made Michael very happy and his game is now back on top form, one of his competitors may not have been to happy , he came to us and asked.

“Why have you fixed him we were doing so well while he was injured”.

“Well you can’t please everyone, but we are so glad we were able to please Michael.”

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Dog Groomer Salutes Getfitstayfit Norfolk

Caroline has her own business as a Dog Groomer, a very active and Physical demanding business , “ We all know how hard it can be to get our dogs to have a bath “. You can imagine how she was felling when she started having trouble with her shoulder and not getting any relief.

She became Depressed ,fed up and needing help, her GP had attempted numerous Steroid Injections, Physiotherapy then when she was not getting any better he suggested she may need a Shoulder Replacement !.

Looking at her business Tochcinders, she was worried that she would have to give up the work, that she dearly loved.

She then found out about Getfitstayfit Norfolk , she decided to give it a try as a last resort in the hope that we could help .

Caroline, came to Get Fit Stay Fit Norfolk with a serious Shoulder injury, Steve ,assessed Caroline’s Shoulder and back and found that the nerves that operated her “Rotator Cuff” Shoulder muscles were not functioning at all well .

Working with the Bioneuro system and the combination of Neuromuscular Techniques, restoration is starting to take place .

Caroline said . “ I was sceptical but the proof of the pudding is in the eating and I’m getting better , I am able to get back to work grooming dogs in my saloon and look at the future plans , I knew it was never going to be a quick fix as there was so much damage, but now I am nearly back to full fitness and ability and certainly NO need for a Shoulder Replacement !.

“So now folks if you need a Dog Groomer I can help give me a call or have a look on my website www.toshcindersdoggrooming.co.uk

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She had suffered from severe pain in one of her feet, as the bones had not fused correctly.

Since Mel’s early teenage years she had suffered from severe pain in one of her feet as the bones had not fused correctly.

Bio-mechanics and numerous interventions had been attempted by health professionals when finally, six years ago, a plate was implanted into Mel’s foot with a view to alleviating the pain.

Unfortunately, the pain remained and her life continued to accommodate it.

Mel is a fan of Rock and she used to love going to concerts to listen to live music, unfortunately, the pain in her foot made standing at gigs extremely uncomfortable.

Even the day-to-day running around after her children gave her, pain and distress.

Recently Mel visited Steve here at our clinic in Blofield. We treated Mel using the ‘Bioneuro Therapy System’ with its ‘Sigma Q’ technology. She said of the treatment.

“At first I didn’t want to move my foot, but when I did.. .great or what…NO pain! That was my first experience,”

Thankfully the foot pain had become so infrequent Mel’s GP decided it was time to have the plate removed.

Steve gave Mel some pre-operative treatment and the operation was a success.

Since then she has attended three post-operative treatments and is now walking normally and returning to work.

About her treatment she says

“If you experience pain that affects your lifestyle and would like advice or Treatment to make life easier, then please get in touch with Steve Kirby at Get Fit Stay Fit Norfolk.

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When Steve came to Getfitstayfit Norfolk , He was not in the best of form and wanted to do the” 100km Race to The Stones”

Sometimes you get a client that you just know you were meant to help , they have a goal they have to achieve and you need to help them achieve it.

Steve is one such client , we always do our very best for our clients it is our aim to help all our clients be the best they can be.

When someone comes to you with the sort of goal Steve wants to achieve then you know you have to take out all the stops .

When Steve came to me , he was not in the best of form we talked and he told me what he wanted to do, his answer stopped me in my tracks it was ” Simple I have decided to run 100km non stop! A Race to the stones”

Here is some of Steve’s story . It is long , but it deserves to be read it will I hope touch your heart as it did mine

Did you know 17 babies are stillborn everyday in the UK.

Their beautiful little lives are ended before they have even begun.

17 families devastated every day

Before I go further just let that really sink in for a second…..

My name is Steve and back in 2009 my wife and I became one of those statistics.

What I am going to do is a personal milestone, to acknowledge that although I will never forget my first boy I feel I have come through the other side.

Today I have 3 beautiful healthy kids and an absolute inspiration of a wife and The time is right to “pay it back” to one of the supporting charities that helped my wife through her most darkest hours – SANDS

I want to rewind back to 2009. It is very easy to do because even 6 years on the sequence of events and emotions are burnt on my mind.

I remember waking up in the morning and I could see on my wife’s face that something wasn’t right. She looked at me with a knowing look. She said she hadn’t felt the baby move for sometime. My first reaction was “don’t worry its probably asleep”.

“It” because we didn’t know if it was a boy or a girl

So we contacted the maternity ward and they said to come straight in. That 30 minute drive felt like 3 hours. Eventually we reached the maternity ward and I will always remember the room we went into it was Bay B. Ironic I thought.

The midwife hooked us up to the machine that checks for the baby sounds. My feelings were, just wait for it, and the heartbeat will be there any second like some train or horse. However the midwife was rooting around over and over and over again.

She then said I’m just going to call the doctor ! I can not describe the wave of panic that comes over you at that point and my wife looked at me for comfort.

My heart was coming out of my chest I had no words or comfort. I just held her hand and started to pray for a good outcome. I’m not religious but it’s funny how you look for higher assistance when you are subjected to such desperate situations.

Just then a very smartly dressed consultant came in wearing a dickie bow of all things. It’s funny the things you remember that aren’t important to the situation.

He then took hold of the machine and moved the pads around. This was for at least a minute and then all of a sudden like the cold light of day calmly said to us I am very sorry but there is no pulse

BANG !! – There it was Probably the single most worst thing you will ever hear in your life.

Your child, the one your beautiful wife has carried, suffered for and loved for 9 months was dead. My wife was in her 39th week!

I can not describe what that change of emotion from one day elation to the next of devastation does to you.

Your body goes into self protection mode. You go numb, you feel your not in your own body, you are in denial but yet when you tell family and friends you become surprisingly calm as their emotions start to outpour.

the next day or so is a blur of bad news rippling across your family and friends and receiving massage after message of sympathy which at the time you just fob off.

And the real kicker, we are put into a room next to the delivery suite where you guessed it, we are hearing healthy babies born. Of course we don’t begrudge these people but you do ask the question why us ?

You can’t mull over it, you won’t be getting an answer on that !

So the next huge challenge if we hadn’t already had enough. My wife has to deliver our stillbirth son. Now I have always had respect for my wife, but I cannot describe how this increased in that delivery room that day.

I have no words for what emotions she must have felt along with the pains of labor. Only she knows.

What I do know is that day cemented my love and respect for her. After a good few hours my wife finally gave birth to our son. The emotion – elation !!

How can this be you could ask? Again I have no answer. He looked perfect only the mere fact he wasn’t Alive. That is very hard to take when you physically have him in your arms.

We were very grateful for the short time we had before we had to hand him over to the hospital for funeral arrangements.

That’s right funeral arrangements for your newly born child. Doesn’t compute does it !

The midwives were absolutely brilliant and they took hand prints and footprints. I thought it was a little strange but I am thankful for that as today we have these safely stored away in his memory box. We also took countless photos as well.

When we arrived home we were greeted with all the little clothes we had brought in preparation and of course the empty nursery.

My wife could give a better account of how empty we felt. For me it was a day for the wife 9 months of anticipation.

Over the coming days we sat down and organised the funeral. The hospital were great in arranging the funeral which was held on site and I managed to summon up enough strength to say a few words. I needed to do that.

We chose a few songs that we thought appropriate and to this day if I hear them on the radio I have to turn it off. It takes me right back to the little coffin sat in front of us.

At this point I would like to recognize and thank various people. Our families, Our friends.The consultant.The mid wives,The vicar,The crematorium

Our boy was scattered on a beautiful garden area specific to children. With a wooden and brass star surrounded by flowers and heather. It’s such a peaceful place and we visit on regular occasions to swap over toys.

This put a line under the first chapter but the following months became a challenge. As we started to grieve In isolation my wife craved support and I craved a bloody great hole which I could hide in.

I felt bad that I couldn’t support my wife In the manner she desired so much but this led her to a new network of support and although I don’t know these people personally they played the biggest part in this recovery. This was simply a group of extraordinary women that had been through the same thing and had set up a social network support group.

My wife spent countless hours speaking to them and this certainly helped where she was at, along with the counselling and the support of count the kicks & SANDS, I could see my wife turning a small corner.

I chucked myself into work and sport.

For a period of time I could sense the only option was to go our own way and separate as we were kind of dragging each other down and slowing the recovery.

However I had a moment of genius and my wife reluctantly agreed – we got a dog. It was a border collie pup and my God did we bite of more than we could chew. He was a terror, but at the same time he was brilliant – he certainly took our mind’s of day to day mundane emotions.

Guess what a few months later my wife was pregnant – this was 2011 by now.

The dog got shipped to the folks who still have him today and he’s a little more calmer than when we had him.

The next 9 months were a paranoid one as you can imagine, however, thankfully under some great consultant led care my wife gave birth to a beautiful healthy baby boy.

As the months went by and we got acclimatised to being parents, I couldn’t help but think about what if our stillborn boy and our new son were together, but this wouldn’t be the case as we wouldn’t have had them together like that and you think that your new son wouldn’t then be here.

It’s a weird thought process but I can imagine parents that have had rainbow babies would understand.

A rainbow baby is one that is born after a stillbirth if you were wondering.

So fast forward to 2016. Add two further beautiful children, add two parents that have learnt a lot of empathy towards parent hood, add two very loving and respecting parents and you have the foundation of a happy future.

Of course you will have ups and downs but having gone through what is the worst scenario a parent could we are well prepared to hit any challenge head on as a family unit.My Beautiful, Strong & Living Wife – Lucy,My First Boy who I will never forget – Roan, My Kids, my legacy – Evan, Noah & Maggie,

7 years on from losing our son there has been a number of life events that have, shall we say taken priority of the rawness of loss.

Our beautiful kids, work, personal activities etc….

However I have never taken a step back to appreciate where I really am in this recovery 2016 is a year of reflection and positive action

On New Year’s Eve I made a promise myself to start such action.

The first port of call was to raise money for the charity that supported my wife through her darkest hours.

This charity is SANDS (Stillbirth & Neo natal Death)

So how to do this? “Simple – decide to run 100km non stop”

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Winifred Thought That She “Would Never Be Able To Walk Again Without The Use Of A Stick”.

What a lovely lady I have been treating in Winifred, I have not had to treat this lady for very long .

One thing is for sure she is a fighter , I have treated a few Ladies recently all with one very positive thing about them .

They have all been fighters wanting to get on with life and make the most of it .

Yes they have been in pain , but they should not be written off and they certainly would be the first to tell you they still have a lot of living to do and they intend to get on with it.

I love them for their positive attitude and it has been a pleasure and a joy to be able to help as Jacqui calls them “My Ladies”

Winifred had problems with her knee and her back , she came to me after she found it difficult to carry on with her gardening and her daily exercise routine.

Using Neuromuscular techniques , massage on the Hydrotherm System and using the Bioneuro, we were soon able to get into to the cause of Winifred’s Pain ad deal with it , rather than it being a long drawn out process and without the need for her to continue using the painkilling medication that Winifred did not want to take .

Winifred word’s “I did not think I would be able to walk again with out the use of a stick ”

That proved to be wrong as Winifred is now doing her daily walks without a stick in Acle.

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Edith from Upton, had resigned herself to a life filled with pain until she met Steve Kirby of Getfitstayfit Norfolk

Following a fall, Edith sought help and advice from Steve Kirby , with help from her daughter Lee. Edith had already been attended to by paramedics at the scene of her accident and medical staff in

Accident & Emergency at the hospital who were pleased to report she had not suffered a fracture, she was allowed home with painkillers but unfortunately Edith didn’t feel they were aiding her recovery.

Lee began looking for alternative help and found Get Fit Stay Fit Norfolk in” The Village Book.“

The two ladies expected to be given rehabilitative exercises for Edith to perform and were surprised and overjoyed when the treatment prescribed was a Hydrotherm Massage.

This was Edith’s first massaged in her 97 years and she enjoyed the sensation of laying on a bed of hot water whilst being massaged.

It brought relief from her pain and a feel good factor too, allowing her to relax and enjoy the treatment.

We believe ‘Quality of life is the major factor and being able to accelerate regeneration of chronically damaged skeletal muscles at whatever age is very important. “

Before her accident Edith had uncomfortable back pain, so Steve also administered treatment with the Bioneuro System which works deeply into muscles which cannot be reached by other therapeutic devices.

” Mum is on the up and the two treatments have been miraculous and amazing, this has already enhanced mum’s health in general,’ said Lee. ‘Mum has been able to half the painkillers that she was told were her future.’

Edith has had a few more treatment sessions with us , she is now feeling so much better , she is back to her Knit & Natter days and is a lot more mobile.

“As for the painkillers she only had to take one last week.”

Leaving the last word to Edith,

“Wonderful, I have a new lease of life and a turn for the better. If you have an injury causing you pain and discomfort, whatever your age, please give Steve a call at Get Fit Stay Fit Norfolk”

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Take these tablets, they said

I had been doing some heavy lifting and thought nothing of it ,lifting fish tanks into awkward positions . Thinking nothing of it ,but my back did !.

Being normally very active and very physically able living with one or two aches did not worry me . Waking up ,that morning I found myself in excessive ,depilating pain .Looked at my self in the mirror and I was standing at 75degrees !. Certainly not normal.

Struggled to see the GP who said “Take these tablets ,five boxes in all . Diazepam, naproxn and other stuff . The GP ,then went on to say . “If things are not right in four or so days come back and then it will take a few weeks and we will do some investigation to see if we can help you further “

Taking the tablets ,they made me sleep feel very depressed . I needed help !. I found Steve’s details called him

Got to Steve’s . He fully assessed me injury wise and started to work . This was on a Sunday ,I was so thankful. Then ,put me on a machine called “Bioneuro” explaining I had damaged very deep muscles which would be very difficult to massage

Back Pain Relief

Well, almost instant relief ,freedom to move .NO PAIN !. Warmth .That’s what Bioneuro has done for me . Five box’s of tablet’s did not do that !.

Followed by Neuromuscular injury manipulations ,this was a touch of heaven on earth. Steve ,worked on my leg, it has been damaged for a few years.

The combination of the Bioneuro ,Clinical Neuromuscular Injury Therapy techniques has restored me.

Powerful ,I feel ,taller ,pain free, supple, warmer and a lot happier because I can sleep ,that’s with no tablets needed ,great!.

That’s what Steve has done for me and he can do for you too.

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Delivery Driver Ray needed Getfitstayfit Norfolk, For Back Problem

It is that time of year when a certain person will don the red suit and get ready for his annual deliveries he will be very busy for one night to get all those special items to folks , then he will have a whole year to rest .relax and recuperate, maybe have a massage or two.

He will not be the only one dealing with delivery of the gifts, parcels for Christmas or the extra deliveries created by Black Friday, he may get the rest of the year off, but the rest of the Delivery Drivers will not .

For them although the extra work is good it also means extra hours longer time spent in the driving seat, lots more multi drops, so more getting in and out of the van’s .

Ray of is one of those delivery drivers he owns HARK Solutions a company we have used and trusted with some special equipment , his company has high standards getting special items to customers when they need them on a Direct Delivery system (Not going into a HUB) so Ray always has to be on top form.

Having Back Pain was not an option for Ray he had some very important deliveries and could not afford to take the time off, as he was going to be driving he also could not take a number of Painkillers , he felt his best decision would be to see Steve of Getfitstayfit Norfolk and get the injury dealt with as soon as possible ,

Have a look at his testimony.

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12 years ago the muscles in my leg locked up, leaving me with a debilitating limp

I believe with a passion as a Therapist, all patients deserve the best quality of life possible. Not to be captive to their injuries. Here is a email from one of my patients, who had suffered a chronic trauma pathology.

“Twelve years ago the muscles in my right leg locked up, leaving me with a debilitating limp. Unable to stand up straight at all! My buttock had diminished away to almost nothing. Nightmare or what the pain was horrific!”

Visits to High St Chiropractors achieved minimal results. By chance last Autumn I bumped into an old sailing friend who urged me to check out Steve Kirby’s www.getfitstayfitnorfolk.co.uk

Talking with Steve I was soon convinced to make the journey. Southampton to Norwich is a long way, but it has been worth every single mile.

Having had about half a dozen sessions, I am a bit of an old Croc ,freedom of movement is returning also standing straighter , and even doing the dreaded shoelaces up has become easier.

My buttock muscle feels as if it has been reconstructed. It also works well, I still can’t believe it!.

Steve used what he calls a Neuromuscular Activation System, along with Neuromuscular techniques mind blowing!.

Being able to sail boat racing again is my goal, so I am a ‘ Work in progress ‘.

Meeting by chance recently, a retired Senior Physiotherapist, she had been involved with my initial treatment all those years ago I was told how much I had improved and whatever I do the best is yet to come.”

Thanks Steve

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